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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://www.wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/the-basic-types-of-derivatives-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes reporting statements will use the word &quot;dividend&quot; incorrectly, which looks like the case here. If you want, you can send me the name of the fund by email privately and I will confirm it for you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m willing to venture that a fixed monthly distribution isn&#039;t likely to be dividend income for tax reporting purposes, rather this is the monthly distribution of the fund and in this case it is mostly return of capital.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Preet&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes reporting statements will use the word &quot;dividend&quot; incorrectly, which looks like the case here. If you want, you can send me the name of the fund by email privately and I will confirm it for you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to venture that a fixed monthly distribution isn&#8217;t likely to be dividend income for tax reporting purposes, rather this is the monthly distribution of the fund and in this case it is mostly return of capital.</p>
<p>Preet</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Preet,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since I’ve mentioned T8 funds, let me clarify my question… I’ve looked closely at my fund’s account transactions list. What these funds do is that they distribute a monthly DIVIDENT and than, somehow (may be by using a magic powder), they convert these funds into 100% ROC and make payouts to my checking account. They call it as a “tax-efficient distributions”. Interesting, but in the end of the year my tax slip didn’t show any DIVIDENT distributions, only ROC.  That’s why I’m wondering how they do that? May be there are other products in the market, which do the same things?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thank You.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet,</p>
<p>Since I’ve mentioned T8 funds, let me clarify my question… I’ve looked closely at my fund’s account transactions list. What these funds do is that they distribute a monthly DIVIDENT and than, somehow (may be by using a magic powder), they convert these funds into 100% ROC and make payouts to my checking account. They call it as a “tax-efficient distributions”. Interesting, but in the end of the year my tax slip didn’t show any DIVIDENT distributions, only ROC.  That’s why I’m wondering how they do that? May be there are other products in the market, which do the same things?</p>
<p>Thank You.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Acorn, these are two separate issues. The T8 structure you are talking about refers to the annual distribution you receive from your particular fund of 8%. Much of which will be ROC, and some may be either interest, dividends, or realized distributed capital gains.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The actual yield on your fund might be 3%, and ROC (return of capital) might make up the other 5%. This means they are treating part of the distribution as a return of your original principal. This will slowly grind your ACB (adjusted cost base) down to zero on the portfolio and when that happens, every dollar you receive will be taxable (most will be capital gains, and there will be some interest and dividends).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Does this answer your question?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I was referring to above is separate, although it could also apply to your funds as well - but not necessarily so.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your T8 fund means your funds have a ROC series or T-SWP series of units.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A capital yield class fund is different, and may or may  not have a T-SWP series.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Preet&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Acorn, these are two separate issues. The T8 structure you are talking about refers to the annual distribution you receive from your particular fund of 8%. Much of which will be ROC, and some may be either interest, dividends, or realized distributed capital gains.</p>
<p>The actual yield on your fund might be 3%, and ROC (return of capital) might make up the other 5%. This means they are treating part of the distribution as a return of your original principal. This will slowly grind your ACB (adjusted cost base) down to zero on the portfolio and when that happens, every dollar you receive will be taxable (most will be capital gains, and there will be some interest and dividends).</p>
<p>Does this answer your question?</p>
<p>What I was referring to above is separate, although it could also apply to your funds as well &#8211; but not necessarily so.</p>
<p>Your T8 fund means your funds have a ROC series or T-SWP series of units.</p>
<p>A capital yield class fund is different, and may or may  not have a T-SWP series.</p>
<p>Preet</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Preet,&lt;br/&gt;Could you please explain in more details this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;...manager could say that he is running a tax-efficient bond mandate for his investors (as is the case in a capital yield class or managed yield fund where the investor receives fixed-income type risk and returns with the distributions treated as capital gains.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m holding a few T8 funds, which make distributions every month. Although they treat these distributions as ROC, nobody was able to explain me clearly how they calculate these distributions (they are not exactly the same from month to month). Is this something related to your above mentioned comment?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thank You&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet,<br />Could you please explain in more details this:</p>
<p>&quot;&#8230;manager could say that he is running a tax-efficient bond mandate for his investors (as is the case in a capital yield class or managed yield fund where the investor receives fixed-income type risk and returns with the distributions treated as capital gains.&quot;</p>
<p>I’m holding a few T8 funds, which make distributions every month. Although they treat these distributions as ROC, nobody was able to explain me clearly how they calculate these distributions (they are not exactly the same from month to month). Is this something related to your above mentioned comment?</p>
<p>Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick Fung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick Fung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this Preet - very useful&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Preet &#8211; very useful</p>
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